nonbinary and uses they/he/she pronouns, would discuss their own podcast, “Getting Curious.”But became tense when Shepard said it was “insane” that President Joe Biden is the country’s “best option.”Then, the duo clashed over whether The New York Times should be considered a left-leaning newspaper.Van Ness argued it’s not because of recent articles about gender-affirming care that some readers interpreted as “anti-trans.” Shepard, however, used conservative talking points, claiming The Times was merely “challenging” and asking “questions” about issues, such as teens taking puberty blockers and hormones.The Post has contacted reps for Van Ness and Shepard for comment. “Some people are very uncomfortable about teenagers transitioning,” Shepard said. “How do we know that the person’s not gonna change their mind?
Then there’s another counterargument. If they kill themselves, then that’s really f–king permanent. … To even question it makes you an enemy.
I don’t think that’s the way forward.”“I feel like I’m talking to my dad,” Van Ness shot back.The hairstylist proceeded to shift the conversation to transgender athletes and how they don’t really have the competitive advantages as some people like to think they do.“There’s just so many things that are so much more important and we’re over here being like, ‘Well, there’s legitimate concerns [about transgender athletes],’” Van Ness said. “All I’m saying is what we know about misinformation and disinformation is when you have an outsized reaction to something, there’s a good chance that you’re being exposed to misinformation and disinformation.
And a lot of the rhetoric around the anti-trans backlash does have a lot of misinformation and disinformation in it.”Van Ness added that he finds it “disappointing” to realize how many people “think they’re really fighting” for women when they exclude trans kids from sports.“I’m a nonbinary f–king trans person.